Webinar Transcript

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Hello everyone, and welcome back to the Boost Your Business webinar series. This time, we’re talking about selling SEO the right way.

{slide: Meet Our Panelists}

So, as always, I’m the cute guy on the left. I just came from a four-hour learning session with the digital marketing institute where I had to lecture— and I am feeling those 18 years of web experience! 

So as always, I’m Bernard, and I work for you at SEOReseller. Many of you have met me already. For those that haven’t yet, I look forward to meeting you guys or speaking with you on the phone. 

For this discussion, I thought it would be perfect to bring William on board again, and I’ll let Will, as always, do his intros.


Yeah, so it’s Will, guys. I know some of you have spoken to me before. But for those who haven’t, well, we’ll talk soon. But I just wanted to talk about myself briefly.

I started as a web designer and had basic SEO knowledge. As of today, I’ve learned so much from SEOReseller. And I’m still learning, and it’s been awesome. And I know all about the growing pains that some of you face. 

And believe me when I say that this webinar will help you. It will help you take a step back and see exactly where you are and how you will move forward.


Right, and a lot of people are looking forward to that. One of the things you guys may not realize is that when you sign into the webinar and make your responses to the survey, we do listen. Many of you will be thrilled with the next Boost Your Business webinar. But for now, it is shameless plug time.

{slide: What Happened During the Previous BYB Webinar}

And I promise only to do a couple. What happened during the previous business webinar: In the previous one, we talked about how to keep your clients and keep them coming back for more, and we showed you the stats of some of our powerhouse agencies.

Some of the newer people didn’t entirely assimilate what the services were and how to sell them, so we talked about knowing your baseline. You can’t set a goal for yourself if you don’t know where you started. 

For example, if you’re usual client relationship lasts three months, you have to figure out what it takes to get that to six months and get that to nine months and a year. And hopefully, more than a year. We have clients that have worked with us for over four years.

Also, highlighting success means discussing where you added value from this month compared to last. Usually, there is a positive trend in terms of performance.

Adding more value to clients, meaning, don’t stop at just selling SEO. You must listen to what your customers say and sell them something they need.

And then, of course, always look for ways to drive more business. Meaning, okay, so you’ve gone through a six-month contract. Is it over? Is it time to shake hands and part ways? Not necessarily. 

You can only target so many keywords for each business in six months. You could always move on to the next set, and so on. All of these add value to the business you’re working with.

Now, true to my word, it’s shameless plug time.

{slide: Coming Soon: Reputation Suite}

And this is the Reputation Suite. This streamlined dashboard helps you take charge of your client’s online reputation. If they’re a local business, they need this. 

The tool allows you to manage their reputation online by having a dashboard to read online reviews in one place, view claimed and unclaimed listings, and more.

It [the dashboard] allows you to control your client’s feedback. It allows them to take control of online feedback and execute activities that manage their online reputation. 

And then, of course, monitor feedback from the end customers, which is the lifeblood of all businesses.

{slide: Coming Soon: Partner Bootcamp Series Launch}

In addition to that, we are launching the Partner Bootcamp Series. And this is a more technical webinar, where our goal is to expand your knowledge base, help you work smarter, and provide enhanced service delivery. 

We want to provide you with expert insights on cutting-edge industry development and methodologies and learn how to take full advantage of the dashboard, the technology, and our full suite of solutions.

{slide: Discussion Overview}

Now I’m going to jump into the meat of the conversation. Before I do, I wanted to remind everyone you can feel free to use the WebEx Chat to pop your questions in as soon as anything interesting comes to you while we’re on the subject matter. But I’ll let Will get us off on the right footing. 

Before that, I want to ask Will: What do you usually do, Will? Because you talk to the clients the first time, you’ve got a similar, analogous experience with them. What happens during those first few conversations?


So when I have that first conversation with new partners, I always ask them about who they are as an agency, what they’ve been through, and their plans moving forward. 

If they’re unsure about who they are as an agency, some don’t know how to plan for what’s next.


Right, that’s sort of not surprising. The companies, agencies, and freelancers we work with that have a good idea of their identity and who they target as their target market typically ramp up and grow to powerhouse status the fastest.

So let’s start with the overview of this discussion.


So have you guys ever closed a client and then had the opportunity to close a different client just like the first one, but you couldn’t figure out how you did so well in the first? So these are the questions you need to ask yourself. 

No one has ever gone from good to great just overnight. It takes time, but to start you on the right path, here are a few questions you should ask yourself and some tips to fix your mindset.

Who are you? Who are you really as an agency? Next is, what are you selling, and how do you figure out how to sell those? 

More importantly, how will you sell it well and effectively? What are the most common challenges and objections you face? And last is, what are the dos and don’ts?


As a teaser for everybody, this webinar is not enough to cover the most common challenges and objections. So we will start that topic off with this, but eventually, we want a full webinar covering the most common challenges and objections.

We like listening to your feedback whenever you guys enroll in a webinar, and this is a lot of things that a lot of you filled in in the survey questions, like how do you overcome this issue and how do you overcome that issue. And I think I didn’t see any entry there that we were unfamiliar with. So, I would love to be able to discuss those with you at length.

Again feel free to send your questions in advance in the WebEx chat.

{slide: Know Who You Are}

So let’s talk about knowing who you are. Knowing who you allow you to identify your target market. What kind of provider are you?


So an excellent way to tell who you are as a partner or agency is by identifying your target market. Do you work closely with local professionals or local service providers in your area? Are you more comfortable with that? 

Are you targeting e-commerce sites that cater to customers from all over the country or even the world? Or are you focused on just a single industry, and you’re the expert in online marketing for them within their niche? In short, who are your customers?


Right, because that tells you what kind of agency you are. Are you a local authority, are you a national authority, are you a national powerhouse? What are you trying to set up your agency to be?

So I’ll start with one of our agency partners in Australia. We started working with them about three years ago. They’d never sold SEO before, but they decided to position themselves as the local authority in SEO

They studied our methodology. And now, they’re not just limited to within their city. They are growing things nationwide.

One thing to remember is that they did well: they understood that clients would buy from you if you have enough confidence in your service to use it yourself. 

They would not have been able to beat everybody for the keyword “SEO”+city. So they did they hit up to full term search engine optimization, and the cities they targeted are actually their specific city. 

And they showed that “we’re number one for this term,” which allowed them to leverage the authority bias. And now they’ve got a gamut of clients from all over the country.

And the second one is one of our partners in the UK, and they specialize in web design. They initially had access to a dental network and had no SEO experience. 

But they learned the methodology, studied it, and tried to figure out, “are we going to stay within this niche? Are we going to go to another vertical?” But they decided to stay with the people they knew, the industry they knew because their ability to find common ground with this profession was already tremendous. 

They have since grown to monthly recurring revenues of thirty to forty thousand pounds every month, and I think that’s amazing.

{slide: Define Your Initial Market}

What is the practical application of this section of the webinar?

To execute a growth hack on your business, you need to find a niche with which you’re familiar or have a history. 

For example, I am passionate about toys. Suppose any of you have seen my LinkedIn profile. Let’s see how many toys I have on display in the office in my room. I just bought my four-hundredths Transformer five weeks ago. So I’m passionate about toys.

What a lot of people also don’t know is that I’m a flooring expert. I worked for four years with the largest online retailer of flooring in the US. 

I am, literally, a flooring expert. I can install hardwood, laminate, engineered wood – you name it. Pergo, Milliken—that’s a carpet—I’m a pro at that. It would be easy for me to sell guys in these verticals our services because I have a history with them. 

With toys, I have a natural passion for them. With flooring, I have a history with the industry.

You want to begin with a niche you’re familiar with or have a history with because it allows you to immediately leverage common ground. And the common ground is one of the most powerful objection breakers.

One of the other things I wanted to share with you guys is one of our partners in Rhode Island. We have a partner who happens to be a lawyer there, and instead of competing with his colleagues, he offered an adjunct service to the industry. 

So, he services only lawyers. What that allows him to do is it allows it to sit comfortably with his peers and speak their language. And they don’t have to feel threatened by a competitor talking to them. 

They’re talking to somebody who can offer them a service that understands their needs because he was there.

Again, common ground. Tremendous for breaking the ice, huge for breaking objections, and so forth. 

Moving on, I want to talk about defining what you’re capable of selling

{slide: Define What You are Capable of Selling}

And these are the services that we offer you.


So now that you’ve sort of figured out who your initial market is or you’re familiar with, the next thing is, you have to assess what you’re capable of selling to them. 

You need to know the scope of your business and what you’re currently limited to. Do your clients need all the services to compete in your industry? Do they need SEO for branding? 

You have got to figure that out.

And next is figuring out what commodities you are providing them with. Just like McDonald’s, they sell consistency and predictability. And Rolex sells achievement or success. 

So what commodity are you projecting? We’ll tackle this later on in the webinar.


Right. And I want to remind everybody that we’re being cautious regarding the verbiage of saying commodity versus product because we’ll make a differentiation on this later. 

I’ve always said McDonald’s doesn’t sell burgers. They are a real estate company, not primarily a food chain. But McDonald’s doesn’t sell burgers. Burgers are a commodity. 

People keep coming back because they’re looking for that consistent experience, and they’ve learned to leverage the invisible.

So we have a lot of commodities that you can resell. SEO, PPC, Social, Web Development, or Branding Services. As of this moment, we only have about three partners—three powerhouse partners—that are capable of selling more than three of our services. 

So imagine that. Only three partners we’ve had relationships with for three, four, and five years. And they’re only capable of, and they’ve only mastered, three or four of our services. 

It takes time to build the expertise. Be a pro at SEO before you decide to be a pro at SEM, and don’t decide to be a pro at SEM at the same time. And don’t try to be a pro at SEO, SEM, and social at the same time. 

Develop your revenue stream. Don’t try to be an expert at everything all at the same time.

{slide: Define What You are Capable of Selling—Practical Application}

So what’s the practical application of this in terms of knowing what you’re capable of selling?

We’ve had two business coaches so far that were our partners. And the business coach partner had an initial strong list of 49 people already in his active client list. 

However, this was how he sold our services. He would launch a three-pager website for them, do on-page optimization in the second month, and then, in place of link acquisition and content marketing, offer them social media services in place of the links.

The problem is that for anybody who knows their SEO, gaining likes and gaining social vouches is different than earning backlinks. 

It’s not the same as content marketing. So what happened was he achieved short-term success. He managed to onboard all 49 clients. But he couldn’t maintain them. 

Somewhere in the second or third month, his clients began to doubt the value of what he was selling. So. he had to resell them over and over and over again.

So what is the moral of this story? You have to sell a service that your customers need. You can’t be a good enough salesman to keep selling them a service they don’t need. 

The sharpest skill you can bring to the table in a sales pitch is listening. The most important selling skill is asking the right questions. And don’t be ashamed of walking away from a sale you shouldn’t close. 

We know that we’re not the cheapest providers. We know that we’re not the simplest providers. But that’s because our market is a specific niche. 

We like to provide value. We want to deliver results. 

So, when we don’t see eye-to-eye, we try not to take money from people to whom we can’t add value. No longevity exists by selling people a mismatched service based on how expectations were set.

Now given that, let’s talk about differentiation. Remember, you’re not the only person who knows how to do this, and you’re not the only person who will walk into that boardroom to try to do a pitch.

{slide: What is Your Differentiator?}


Now, this slide is a personal favorite of mine because it helped me a lot. And I can’t wait for you to bring up the practical application.

It’s all about assessing what makes you different from your competitors and what makes you stand out. Are you cost-effective? Because it’s based on your target market’s ability to spend. 

Do you have that technological edge by accessing the latest online tools, or do you have experts in your company? Or simply, your methodology is different, but it works.

So these are three questions your unique selling point needs to answer: What would make me transact with your business? What differentiates your product or service from others? And what can you provide that others cannot guarantee?


Right. So what we’re trying to teach you guys is, being the cost-effective provider, being the guy with the technological edge, and the one with the effective methodology. When you try to position yourselves, don’t try to position yourselves as all of them. 

Primarily position yourselves as one. Don’t try to leverage all because when you try to project yourself as a jack of all trades, you become a master of none. Be a master of one. So how do you use this when you’re on the pitch?

{slide: What is Your Differentiator?—Practical Application}

So here’s another practical application and a case study. 

One of our more successful partner agencies sells our services cheaper than everybody else. In the previous Boost Your Business webinars, we’ve consistently told you that all our partners sell our services at double to triple our rates, which still remains competitive pricing-wise.

The partner sells a DIY service, which is their differentiator from everybody else in the market. By not having to hand-hold, babysit, and whatnot, they’re able to lower their costs because they don’t have to hire an army of project managers to manage a dozen clients. 

So he specifically sells them our services, and he sells them in a way that they are self-service. So he educates them for the first few weeks before intake.

By selling it at a lower cost — this means the maximum markup that he ever does is a hundred-percent margin — he sells his services like a self-service campaign and then it doesn’t wind up being a large, noticeable expense in a monthly financial statement. 

This allows the client to be more patient because the larger the price you pay off, the stronger the buyer’s remorse and the faster the gratification requirement is. But because of the lower price, he can extend the time expectation. 

He’s able to get it ignored for several months and just get it renewed and renewed and renewed, which I think was a brilliant move because it’s real. And I notice that from my practices when I review our financial statements.

He sells in volume because there don’t have to be half-a-dozen salespeople to manage a dozen clients. And he doesn’t try to sell like a premium provider, and he sets expectations. 

He tells them for this to work, the methodology will work, but they have to collaborate. Here’s the service, your dashboard, how you monitor it, all the work that’s being done for you, why you approve or disapprove, and so forth. And then he just sends them the bill month-over-month-over-month.

Now, remember that he doesn’t ignore his customers. He allows them to reach out to him repeatedly, but they know he’s not the hand-holding type. Still, he managed to build a powerhouse agency around that. 

So the moral of this story is it doesn’t even matter how you differentiate because a lot of our partner agencies differentiate in one way or another but not that doesn’t necessarily make them more or less successful than the others. 

What matters is that you differentiate. You must differentiate from the competition.

So, moving on to the next topic, let’s talk about what you’re selling.

{slide: Determine What You’re Selling}

So essentially, what you’re selling are our services. I’ll let William take this one because he talks to you guys about this every day.

{slide: Understand the SEO Methodology}


So most of the partners that we’ve worked with have had their understanding of SEO, one way or another. And there are very few who can understand how effective the methodology is.

For the partners who are just getting started, we implore you to understand how it all works through us. Because over the years, we’ve had to endure many of the challenges our industry had to throw at us, and we’ve adapted. We’ve learned, and we’ve grown from them.

Below are a few statistics we’re proud of and are very confident in sharing with you. And these are historical trends. By the way, they’re not “guarantees.” 

Each site or campaign is different and will require your careful analysis. They’re just meant to assure your clients the right way. So we’ve gotten to where we can rank 80% of websites for reasonable target terms.


And I stress reasonable target terms.


We can get 60% of keywords to the first page within six months or less. We can also drive up to times 22 ROI per dollar spent.


And I can vouch for this through an end-client’s testimonial.


And clients typically stay faithful to the service for over a year. That says a lot, too.


Right, it does because that shows how effectively the methodology works.

So one of the things that you need to remember is, inside the conversation, if your clients were experts at SEO, why would they need to hire you? 

You are walking in there armed with a methodology that ranks 80% of websites, ranks 60% of the keywords on the first page in six months or less, and can drive up to 22-factor ROI that people love to use continuously for over a year. 

If they had this in their toolkit, they wouldn’t need to hire you. And this is the value that you bring to the table. But when you come to the table, you need to understand you’re the pro. You’re the expert. 

You have to explain the SEO methodology, be transparent, and don’t forget to pitch alternative solutions and look for other areas of opportunity. Remember that on the pitch, the most valuable skill is listening. 

If your customer tells you in one form or another that they need immediate results, then it’s quite possible that SEO is not the solution, and you might need to move that conversation over to SEM. But let me move this to a practical application.

{slide: Understand the SEO Methodology—Practical Application}

So the practical application is about using the Resource Center to your advantage. And I know that this slide is a little self-serving, so I try to return to the Resource Center.


But it helps.


It does, it does.

A lot of our partners will swear by how effective it is. The reason we built it is because of insistent public demand. You will have 30 minutes to an hour at best when you walk into that pitch. 

When you walk in, nine out of ten business owners have never heard about SEO. Chances are, they will want you to explain every element of it bullet by bullet by bullet. 

You’re not going to have the time to do that.

If you respect their time and they respect yours, you need to bring a structured Pitch Deck. It allows you to leverage the cheerleader bias of positive experience. The Pitch Deck shows them what they did right and what you can do for them.

You need to bring a Methodology Explainer because you’re not going to have the chance to explain bullet by bullet what each element of the SEO package is. It allows you to be the pro. 

Remember, you’re giving them all this value before spending the first dollar. And it allows you to leverage the authority bias because the moment they read through the methodology explainer, they will have more questions. 

Guess who they’re going to ask the moment they have more questions? You. Which then positions you well as the authority in the field.

Then the last bit is, of course, testimonials. 

There are white-label testimonials where end clients send us feedback about what they think of the methodology and how it helped them. This allows you to leverage a base that’s called groupthink, and that’s the reason why it’s there. 

They are speaking about the methodology that you will use. Using all of these allows you to effectively use that 30 to a one-hour window for better chances to close the sale. 

It isn’t meant to distract the client from what’s important to them, but remember that you don’t learn anything by talking about SEO. You learn by figuring out their business goals, and that’s your job. Your job is to help them. 

If you don’t manage to ask your questions and identify the needs, you will not have provided good service in that pitch.

{slide: Managing the Experience}

So let’s talk about managing the experience. Before I get into that, I just want to remind everyone that the chat box is available for you guys to throw your questions at us. Feel free to send them in at any time.

Let’s talk about managing the experience and one of the things I’m most proud of. 

We have been around for five years and building a methodology – I can say it’s got its days, and it’s got its days. But I love it. I love breaking things apart and piecing them together. 

One of the things that we had to break apart was figuring out, in our early days, why we had the first trimestral cancellations because it is painful for us when people try our methodology for a hundred days and then leave it. 

Because it feels like, what went wrong? We try to add as much value as possible. And what we realized was that this is about immediate gratification. 

Customers look for immediate and reinforced gratification as soon as they pay the bill, especially during the first 30 to 60 days.

Therefore, we built a service that allows you to overcome buyer’s remorse. The methodology operates off of frequent touchpoints within the first 30 days. The strongest milestones happened within the first 60 days, as long as all recommendations are implemented. 

Regular reporting and less collaborative activity happen afterward, where clients expect that the work is moving forward and they see a positive trend. Increased frequency, though, in our presence and our need for collaboration will exist. 

Remember, we’re SEOs. We live to make things visible. We live to rank things. 

Sometimes we’ll do a review in somebody’s search console and realize that this term with a thousand impressions only gets three clicks, and it’s in position five. 

We could nudge it above the fold with a little nudge of better on-page, more quality content, and different content formats on the page. So we will increase the frequency of touchpoints again.

Let me show you this in a graphic representation.

{slide: Manage the Experience—Timeline}

This [as seen from the graph] is what the methodology looks like in a flow chart. Even before the first dollar is spent, which is the black line that is the pre-intake, we’re already working for you. 

Our project managers are walking you through the dashboard. From the end client’s perspective, we’re already assessing their website. We’re already paying an SEO to look at the website to tell you whether that’s a fight you can win. 

And so our SEOs will execute an actual audit and tell you, “Yes, a good campaign to rank, here’s where we think that the opportunities are,” and so forth. 

Now, as soon as the invoice is paid, the campaign officially launches, and this is where the interaction begins. We will send the intake forms to you. You send them over to the client. 

We execute the keyword research. You must get them to sign off on it. We provide you with access to the white-label dashboard. You create their access to the white-label dashboard. 

We create the on-page structural report in about 7 to 10 days. We give you the new content for the websites. We execute somewhere in between as soon as you get the credentials, and then we send you the executive summary—a minimum of six touch points in the first 30 days spread throughout those 30 days.

Within the second month, the implementation keyway happens. After the on-page is executed, we monitor it for two to three weeks. If the site has performed according to our expectations, and as soon as it does, we’ll let you know. 

We will be your first cheerleaders and tell you, “Hey, are you seeing how the rankings are going?”. We will send you the executive summary five days before the end of that month. 

And again, the first two executive summaries typically bear the strongest results of the methodology. On the third month, we wean off the more frequent conversations, off the more frequent touchpoints, and then you get a monthly executive summary over and over and over again. 

By this time, your client will have had so much of your attention that they will have learned they love it and begin to trust you. The executive summary’s become good enough. This is what we do to retain clients. 

Now again, barring the fact that we find more opportunities, we will go back to some of the touch points in month one. But typically, this is how it’s executed. We built a methodology that allows you to overcome buyer’s remorse.

{slide: Understand the Technology}

I’ll move on to understanding the technology. 

Now I’ll let Will do this because, to be perfectly honest with everybody, I think Will’s dashboard walkthrough has gotten to the point where it’s better than mine. And I’m proud of that whenever I see that. So Will, talk about our technology.


Thanks, Berns. Okay, let’s talk about how you guys can understand the technology. How does technology help you work smarter?

When we started a few years ago, and I know about the horror stories, a lot of what we had to look at to help us manage campaigns were just spreadsheets.


Google Docs.


Right. And there was a lot of data that we had we had to collate and analyze. In short, it was painful working that way, right?




So, today, the agency and white label dashboard has become the solution to how I manage it, how you guys manage it, and how your clients manage it. 

It was a natural advancement of similar agents like us, and it’s become the standard for all white-label SEO agencies.


I would think so. Every respectable agency executes or manages one form of a white-label dashboard or another. 

Although, I’m biased. I love ours the best. I think ours is the most accurate. But enough selfish plugging.


So when I say that the dashboard can do all your deliverables in real-time, you can check your rankings daily, integrate that traffic from Google Analytics, and see it daily as well. 

Now you wouldn’t have known any of that, you wouldn’t have understood the value of all of that if we didn’t have that conversation.

So you need to have that conversation with your client. It’ll help you identify the level of understanding that your client currently has, and it will steer that line of questioning. 

So leverage technology, and talk to your clients at their level. Don’t assume that your clients already know just how good technology is. Who knows, maybe it’s all they need to hear.


Right. The Dashboard’s primary capabilities were built around allowing you to view the work in real-time and see the rankings daily because we do our proprietary technology scrapes. So our ranking reports are not an API from anywhere. We built that technology. 

See traffic reports daily, and show your customers their dashboards. And then, of course, coming soon because we never stop looking for ways to add value to you, we are creating the Reputation Suite. 

You know, my shameless plug somewhere on slide four, that was it. You and your client will see where they’re published online and their reviews of their site and the business.

{slide: Understand the Technology—Practical Application}

Now I’ve got a practical application. Actually, this one is not so much a practical application as it is an awesome story. I never forgot it. 

The story happened two years ago. I’m not sure if people out there will remember. But there was this surprise snowstorm somewhere in the midwest. If it wasn’t last year, it was two years ago.

We had a partner in the mid-west who had a client who woke up on the wrong side of the bed. The wife was PMS-ing and the daughter decided she would be the most ungrateful child ever born on the planet—he wasn’t having a great morning. 

Add to that the fact that there’s a surprise snowstorm. He’s got normal tires on his card, he has to change up to chain wheels before he’s able to drive off to work, and at this point, he’s really late. Somewhere during the travel from house to work, he gets a blowout on one of the chain tires. And I didn’t even know that could happen.

The client decided this was going to be a horrible day. So he calls for a tow. And in the meantime, there’s nothing to do, so he might as well get some work done. One of the things that he sees in his email is the link from our partner giving him the URL, username, and password for the dashboard. 

He follows the link, logs in, and it’s incidentally two to three weeks, fast implementation of the on-page where we typically expect the strongest results, and, voila, everything is green. It made his day. 

He was so happy that he dialed up the partner until the tow truck came in, and the partner immediately gave us a call and told us that story. I’ve never forgotten it.

But this is a moral as to why you need to use the dashboard. You never know when it’s going to make a difference. The dashboard is like the scoreboard. 

For you guys that watch basketball or football or the NFL or baseball or whatever it is, can you imagine watching a sporting event where that little widget in the middle is missing? 

You don’t know who shot how many hoops. You don’t know how many three-pointers there were, who’s got how many fouls, etc. You don’t even know how long into the game you are. 

So how interesting would it be to watch a sporting event like that, where you have no clear picture of who’s winning and who’s not? That is what your dashboard does for your customers. 

It gives them a sense of gratification they invested with the right agency. It is your scoreboard. You need it in their face all the time. It makes the experience with you more enjoyable.

{slide: Learn How to Sell Effectively}

So let’s talk about learning how to sell more effectively. Because this is what we’re trying to talk about in this webinar.

{slide: Differentiate Commodity vs. Product}

Let’s talk about differentiating commodity versus product. In a book called selling the invisible, which is where we get a lot of this from, Harry Beckwith differentiates very well between what a commodity is and what a product is.

The product is essentially the invisible thing that you’re getting them to buy into emotionally. 

The commodity is the good or the service. McDonald’s commodity is the burger. The product is consistent service and consistent quality. It includes consistent colors, uniform, and speed.

At Starbucks, they offer the same thing. They offer you that comfortable third place. And Starbucks tries to nurture the human spirit one cup at a time. But Starbucks’ actual product is a consistent experience also. 

It’s a consistent experience for anybody looking for that quiet place where they could spend time for themselves and whatnot. Coffee is a commodity. The product is the experience.

The same is true for Nike, the spirit of adventure. What’s the commodity? The shoe. Same for Rolex. They’re selling watches as the commodity, but the product is a sense of achievement when you possess the watch.

The best one: De Beers. How dare they sell “forever”? How dare they sell “eternity”? And yet they do, and they do this successfully. The commodity is a diamond, and the product is a commitment.

So you have to differentiate between your product and your commodity. The commodity is our service and the experience that’s the product. 

What kind of experience are you trying to sell them? Are you trying to offer them convenience, a one-stop shop for all their digital marketing needs where they can get their SEO, SEM, web design, and branding requirements all in one place? 

Or are you trying to offer them a premium experience, meaning you will be the best consultant ever thought about SEO that they’ve ever met? Or are you offering them a plug-and-play experience? Again, it doesn’t matter which one you want. All that matters is that you’re one of them.

The other is, for some of our partners, performance is their product, and they commit to specific traffic results, specific ranking results, or a specific ROI. 

Let me give you a practical application immediately after this. But before that, I want to provide you with a “do”: define your commodity and product, and make sure your sales team knows it by heart, that everybody is selling it the same way. 

If it’s a premium experience, everybody needs to talk premium. And if it’s convenient, ensure that everybody upsells other services to remind customers that we are everything under one roof. 

Now, remember, don’t just sell a product, though. It’s not enough that you differentiate your commodity from your product. Inside the pitch, don’t sell the product but sell the solution. 

Highlight the problem, and let them know why you’re the answer to that problem.

{slide: Differentiate Commodity vs. Product—Practical Application}

So here’s the practical application. This is a case study with one of our more successful partners. 

This partner only offers a premium experience. They sell nothing under $2,000, monthly contract, minimum contract of six months, at retail. If the results they project past the six months are not hit, they foot the bill themselves. 

But this is what they’re selling. They’re selling a premium experience.

They’re selling their expertise, one-on-one time with their account managers and experts.  

This partner understands the methodology and trusts it. 

They can guarantee an increase in traffic and performance only if the site owner gives them free rein on the website. Meaning if we recommend it, you implement it. Otherwise, we can’t guarantee that the methodology will meet the requirement.

And other than that, it allows them to close the sale by creating a security blanket. When there is even an informal guarantee, even an informal promise of a certain result, it allows a buyer to purchase with a certain sense of security. And so, with that sense of security, you diminish the feeling of buyer’s remorse. And it’s, in my opinion, an amazing application of this method.

{slide: Acing the Pitch}

Now I want to go back. This is our previous conversation from the previous Webinar, and it’s about acing the pitch. 

I want to help you ace the pitch to maximize the use of that time. Arrange a pre-planning meeting. Meet with your project manager, and ask them for advice. 

Qualify the client, and execute the pre-site audit. Know if you’re supposed to take that customer’s money. See if you can rank them, achieve results, and add better value to their business. 

Then, arm yourself with a pitch deck. Arm yourself for the pitch by downloading the pitch deck, preparing a proposal, and running an audit report. These save you time, which is what our objective was. Our objective is for you guys to spend quality time with a customer.

And then, on the pre-intake assessment, ensure that you include the output in your presentation and cover the basic areas to improve. 

Don’t get stuck in a methodology conversation. Don’t get stuck in a two, three-hour methodology conversation because it can last that long. I could probably talk SEO with anybody for like 16 hours straight. But don’t get stuck in that conversation. 

You have 30 minutes to 60 minutes. Your time is valuable when a question is flying out of your customer’s mouth. That is when you find out what the customer needs and when you can match it with a service that adds value.

{slide: Most Common Challenges & Objections During the Pitch}

So what are some of the most common challenges and objections during the pitch? And this sorts a teaser for the upcoming Boost Your Business webinar, where we want to discuss the most common objections and how to overcome them.

So some of the most common objections that we get: What do I do when my potential client wants immediate results? So there’s a straightforward way and a way to dance around it that I don’t necessarily disagree with. 

The straightforward way is to tell him that SEO is momentum-driven and recommend SEM as an additional service that allows them to gain fast results while the SEO operates in the background. 

The other is to explain that the time invested in waiting on SEO results will ultimately lead to free traffic. 

Remember that with SEM, the moment you turn off the drip, the traffic is gone. For SEO, you invest in that keyword, in that optimization once. 

You build your digital footprint, get free traffic with that keyword for a long time, and keep looking for other opportunities as you look forward.

What do you do when they need more knowledge on how SEO works?

For this one, give them the Brandable Resources that outline the methodology. They will review it on their own time and have questions. 

Your objective here is to get them to desire to reach out to you. Now before you do a pitch, make sure that you execute some prep. Know the stats on the industry and know who their competitors are. 

Nobody likes falling behind the competition, and if you know who their competitors are and their opportunities to get a leg up against the competition, you will have sold them a solution.

What do you do when they think SEO costs too much?

So what I like to do is I’ve got a lot of figures off the top of my head that I like to tell everybody whenever I have an appropriate opportunity. 

For example, according to Google 93% of buying experiences begin with a search. 60% of those searches are for local establishments. Think of the lost opportunities for your clients. They potentially lose 93% of interested, matched customers for their business. 

Potential customers want to know who you are. I can say that as early as 2002, or 2003, I have never patronized an establishment I couldn’t find online. And I see that practice in the current generation. 

We want to know who we’re patronizing. We want to know the establishment that we frequent. We want to know who they are, and what kind of service they provide. We want to see what other people have said. 

The internet is a very powerful tool, and Google is an Oracle. Everybody wants to know ahead of time that they won’t regret spending or investing their money in a specific establishment.

What do you say when clients have worked with a previous agency that they’re unhappy with?

This one is easy for me. It should be easy for you, too.

Now when you’re working with a customer that tells you, “Oh yeah, well I worked with a freelancer, and they got my site in trouble,” what do you do? 

You can honestly tell them, “No, none of my clients have been penalized,” because that’s true, none of your clients have been penalized. I can proudly say our clients have not been penalized.

Now some of our partners are honest. If they’ve had an experience with previous white label providers, and they got them in trouble, they honestly come clean and say, “Yes, we have, and here’s what we did to recover them at our expense,” and I think that is tremendous faith.

Now, as an agency and as your provider, we say, “We have worked with clients that had penalties from previous providers, but we’ve got a hundred-percent batting average at cleaning it up and recovering from a penalty.”

So these are three ways you can truthfully respond to that question. Bullet two, only if it’s true.

So I want to show you guys how this webinar started a couple of weeks ago. When we decided that this was the topic for the webinar, we asked our sales team what they wanted to discuss about how to sell SEO the right way. It became a long email thread.

I want to read you the email thread because this webinar’s content is largely based on that collection. So I’ll let William do this.

{slide: Do’s and Don’ts}


So even I had to throw in there. I won’t say which one’s mine because it probably isn’t there. We’re just reinforcing a lot of the things we’ve already said in the previous slide, so I will read through it.

Develop your revenue stream one at a time. Don’t try to provide everything at the same time.

Do choose one differentiator to become an expert at. Don’t leverage all of it because when you try to protect yourself as a jack of all trades, you’re a master of none. Be a master of one.

Do be the SEO expert. Explain the SEO methodology and be transparent. Don’t forget to pitch alternative solutions. You have to look for areas of opportunity.

Do set realistic expectations from the very start. Don’t offer guaranteed rankings. Don’t be a “yes” man.


Okay, I want to hammer on that. For mature salespeople, sometimes “No” is the correct answer. But of course, always positively script it. 

I want to remind everybody who’s a budding salesman or does not think they’ve got very mature selling skills that saying yes to everything does a tremendous disservice to your customer. 

Set proper expectations. It is super important.


Do talk to your potential clients at their level of understanding. Don’t assume your clients know the benefits of using your technology.

The last one is to define your commodity and product and ensure your sales team knows it by heart. Don’t sell a product. Sell a solution.


I think with that, we’re just about ready to wrap up. And we’ve got a couple of minutes to go through the Q&A.

{slide: For Our Partners—Organic SEO Pitch Kit}

Now for our partners, we built the organic SEO Pitch Kit, which contains the organic SEO pitch deck, the SEO methodology explainer, the SEO flyer, the audit report, the SEO catalog, and a sales guide. 

Sign up now, or log into the dashboard to download your Organic SEO Pitch Kit, and it’s in the Resource Center in your Dashboard.

{slide: Q&A Session}

So let’s move on to Q&A and take a look at what you guys had to send in. Let me take a look at the first question. I’m just seeing them for the first time now.

So the first one says, “When clients are checking their dashboard daily, how do you handle clients asking about a drop in rank?”. Awesome question.

So remember how we like to talk about SEO being momentum driven? For anybody in the industry, you will be familiar with the concept called “Google Dance.” 

Almost 300 ranking factors mitigate Google, not all of those ranking factors kick in simultaneously. Some of them happen more frequently, and some of them happen less frequently. 

So fluctuations in the rankings are perfectly normal. You need to get used to not being reactive to drops in rank. Typically, when you see drastic drops, recovery happens in a couple of days, and it’s not unusual for Google to do that. 

So for anybody that’s been in SEO for a while, you want to look at the more significant trends. You don’t want to take a look at little fluctuations. SEO is like the climate, and sudden fluctuations in rankings are like the weather. 

The objective is to get the customer to look at the climate, not the weather. Okay, I hope that answers the question.

Next is, “Will you be offering white-label webinars?” That’s an interesting question. 

I honestly don’t know how to answer that yet. I probably have to talk to our marketing team to see scalability options, technology options, and whatnot. So I’m not throwing it out the window. 

I will probably want to talk to whoever threw this question in there. I think it’s a great idea, and it allows us to mass-produce the education and the expertise and throw it out there for customers to hear about it. But I’ll park it, but you guys need to understand that I never leave things behind in my parking lot.

The next question is, “By recovering with Google from being penalized, are you referring to link detox cleanup?” 

Okay, great question. When I say a penalty, I mean there are algorithmic penalties and manual penalties. And I’m saying that we intake a customer with a manual penalty every now and then. 

There’s an actual warning: A partial match penalty—not pure spam, and we’ve never seen that, and we will never take that—but we will see those who bought links and whatnot. 

There’s an actual message in Webmaster Tools or the Search Console. And when we see those, we execute a disavow and a reconsideration request. So we run a link clean-up, meaning we remove the links, and then we send emails to the webmasters that own those links.

We submit a reconsideration request because Google will not entertain a reconsideration request or a disavow without any attempt to contact those third-party webmasters.

And then we have a hundred-percent batting average at cleaning up the links. When we started that off two, three years ago, our initial batting average was eighty-nine. We’ve been cleaning it up a hundred percent ever since.

The next question is, “What is a customer’s average monthly SEO fee?” For me, it sort of depends on where you’re niched. Are you a low-cost provider, or are you a premium provider?

Remember how I said one of our powerhouse agency partners only offered premium services? They don’t sell anything below $2,000 retail. But we’ve got that plug-and-play reseller that sells things starting at $450 retail. 

So there is no true average monthly SEO fee for a customer because it depends on their needs, how many pages they need to be optimized, the nature of the keywords they need, and how fast.

I like to compare this to the wedding analogy. Weddings can be fast, beautiful, or cheap. They can be two out of three. They cannot be all three. 

You want something fast and beautiful, it won’t be cheap. You want something fast and cheap, it won’t be beautiful. And if you wan’t something beautiful and cheap, it won’t be fast. 

The same is true when it comes to average monthly spending. But, as a general rule, if I were going to take it against our figures, the average retail SEO dollar value that we serve probably amounts to roughly around $1,500 to $2,000. Our average retail fee is based on the average business we get.

Next one: “Can I ask how you guys get clients to commit after they keep getting cheap SEO companies calling them?” Okay, how do we get clients to commit? Will, how do you get clients to commit?


I sell the difference.


Okay, not bad.

Getting clients to commit is a couple of things. We try to get them to fall in love with the personalities that work with them in the office. 

Some of the partners that have flown here absolutely know the size of the office, how many people there are, and how hard people work. They’ve seen it. 

Oh, and by the way, we’re in a central business district, so it’s not some sweatshop. We’re very premium. So we get the customers to commit, and we get the clients to commit because they see the results. 

The methodology is effective. We make sure that our customers are not burned, and that they don’t get penalized. We review our methodology frequently. So once they try the service, most people understand you get what you pay for. 

I think they get the impression that when something is too good to be true, meaning too cheap to be true, they’re afraid that the quality might match. And you know they’re right to be afraid because it probably will. And this is how we get them to commit. It’s the results that speak for themselves, plus the relationships.

The next question is…


“When is the right time to give clients access to the dashboard?” 

I like this one because most assume there will be little to report in the beginning. Actually you can show it in the beginning. What some of our resellers do is they use it as a demo account. 

So they can show what it would look like. Or another way to do it is to ask the client upon intake what keywords they’re currently ranking for, or you can figure out the keyword research for them. What you can do with the dashboard is you can plug it in. 

You can plug in all the keywords, then pick their top five competitors, and put them against it. Within 24 hours, you can show them where their baseline is, and you can also show them what they’re up against when it comes to the competitors. So I do believe you can show it in the beginning. It shouldn’t be a problem.

The next question is, “95% of the objections I receive from prospects are about pricing. They complain it’s way too high”.


Wait, I want to take this. I want to take this.

Okay, so I will try to avoid being snide when answering this question. The bottom line is that you get what you pay for. 

I feel lucky to get into industries and companies that never tried to be the cheapest. I’m proud of that and of being part of this organization where we’re not trying to be the cheapest in the industry.

Now we understand from your perspective that 95% of the objections you receive from your prospects come from your pricing. But in reality, 95% of those who object are probably not ranking 95% of the time. 

So they’ve gotten what they paid for, right? If you go with a cheap provider, you’re probably not going to achieve significant results. 

Part of the reason we charge the way we charge is that there is a significant amount of technology backing up what we do, and there is a significant amount of research behind what we do. And that costs money. 

It costs money to figure out what methodology works today because SEO always changes. It always evolves. And if we lag behind, we will not be able to continue providing services that offer an edge to our customers and agency partners.

So the best way to overcome this is by a) offering them a premium experience and b) it’s about the results. It’s the best way to overcome it. Then c) don’t be afraid to walk away from a sale. 

Serious people that want to invest in the future of their company will eventually invest. SEO is not a question of if they will execute SEO on their side. It’s a question of when. 90% of websites are not optimized. Eventually, they will be. So, they either work with your business today and invest in SEO while they have the edge over the 90% that aren’t optimized, or they optimize later. But later is when they get a return on their investment.

The next one is, “I showed them the value of the service provided with the Brandable White Papers, but it hasn’t worked too well. What can I do?”

So let me put it this way. The Brandable White Papers are there for you to leave as an afterthought. Remember that the conversation is about you to pique their interests and find out what their needs are. 

The Brandable White Papers, methodology explainer, and all of the documentation that we sent you are some things you can give your clients.

So, before you leave, tell them, “if you have any more questions, I’m leaving you documentation on the methodology and the service. Please review them and raise any questions you have. 

The objective of the Brandable White Paper is a) to eliminate question-and-answer time, that’s one, but b) is, it encourages them to initiate contact with you over and over and over and over again. It allows you opportunities to build more trust.

Also, don’t be discouraged when they don’t call you the next day, going bonkers, like, “Oh my god! This is like the SEO manna from heaven!” It’s not. We believe that, as with us so with you, SEO customers take a while to decide on whether this is an investment they’re willing to make. 

There was a retail client we worked on who took eight months to decide before they decided to close. So keep them warm. 

It’s like being a car salesman. Keep everybody warm, whether or not they bought a car from you, greet them merry Christmas, greet their children happy birthday, and whatnot. Keep the relationship warm because you need to be there when they’re ready to buy, and they will be ready to buy.


Okay, I can take this question, because I always get it. “What do you say when they ask for a high-volume keyword to rank quickly?” 

Ah, so there’s a misconception here. It doesn’t mean that the keyword with a higher volume versus the keyword that’s longer or makes more sense will rank faster. That’s not about it.

Typically when I speak to a client, what I want to do first is I want to ask them if they have access to their Google Analytics or their Google Search Console.

I want to see the current relationship of their website with the entire web, especially with their competitors. I want to see which keywords are currently generating traffic for them. And there are certain keywords that you can’t see in Google Analytics that you can see in Google Search Console. 

So if you go inside, you can see the keyword’s performance. You get to know the click-through rate and the impressions. So how many people have seen that keyword and click-through? 

That’s a good tell from my end if that’s a keyword you should try to approach. But you’ll notice that with that keyword, let’s say that keyword is volume ten, with a local target or a city. 

So, when you go into Google Search Console, somewhere down the line, it’s got the least impressions, but it’s got amazing click-through. This is the keyword you should leverage. 

You just got to figure out, “Is it on the right page?” You’ll also notice what the average ranking of that keyword is. Don’t know whether it’s being appropriately targeted? Move it. That’s the sort of conversation I’m having. 

Instead of saying, “Let’s get all these keywords because they’ve got amazing volume.” It doesn’t mean that you’re going to get all that traffic.


Or ranking might already exist for that keyword, which means you don’t necessarily kick it out of the options. Now there are a lot of other questions, but I’m only going to take one because I’m exceeding time now.

But the last question I want to do is, “How do you guys do your initial prospecting?” 

I’m going to teach you guys a growth hack, you might not like it, but I’m going to be a little snide. We don’t do prospecting. Customers come to us because we rank for our keywords, and we strongly encourage you to do the same. 

You also want to invest in your business, so I recommend you enroll it in an SEO package.

Remember that if you’re our partner, we won’t necessarily rank you for free, but we will pay more attention because we know that when we rank our partners, the better they rank, the more customers they can close. 

So we don’t exactly execute initial prospecting because they come after people execute a search. Our sign-up volumes are in a few hundred, so it’s a little difficult.

Now how do you replicate this? It’s really simple. Get your website to rank. Enroll your website in SEO. 

Same as the case study I did earlier with the Australian partner, there was no way that they could leverage the term “SEO”+city overnight. But in less than a hundred days, they would be able to rank for the longer-tail variation, which was “Search Engine Optimization”+city, allowing them to walk in as experts into their pitches. 

So I guess that’s about it for me, and we’ve run out of time. I appreciate the presence of everybody in the audience. 

These are awesome questions. I wish we had time to deal with all of them. 

If you guys are still itching to get any of these questions answered, call us at our toll-free number, our US number, or e-mail us at [email protected], and we’ll do our best to answer you. 

But that’s it. I’m Bernard I’m signing off.


And I’m Will, and thanks, guys, for having us. 


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